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立法会2008 年6月11 日LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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2008 1 会议过程正式纪录 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS

2008 年6月11 日星期三 Wednesday,

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2008 上午

11 时正会议开始 The Council met at Eleven o'

clock 出席议员: MEMBERS PRESENT: 主席范徐丽泰议员,大紫荆煜,G.

B.S., J.P. THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE MRS RITA FAN HSU LAI-TAI, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. 田北俊议员,G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JAMES TIEN PEI-CHUN, G.B.S., J.P. 何俊仁议员THE HONOURABLE ALBERT HO CHUN-YAN 李卓人议员THE HONOURABLE LEE CHEUK-YAN 李柱铭议员,S.C., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LEE CHU-MING, S.C., J.P. 李国宝议员,大紫荆煜,G.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE DAVID LI KWOK-PO, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. 李华明议员,J.P. THE HONOURABLE FRED LI WAH-MING, J.P. 立法会2008 年6月11 日LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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2008 2 吕明华议员,S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LUI MING-WAH, S.B.S., J.P. 吴霭仪议员THE HONOURABLE MARGARET NG 周梁淑怡议员,G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS SELINA CHOW LIANG SHUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. 涂谨申议员THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN 张文光议员THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG MAN-KWONG 陈婉娴议员,S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN YUEN-HAN, S.B.S., J.P. 陈智思议员,G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE BERNARD CHAN, G.B.S., J.P. 陈鉴林议员,S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-LAM, S.B.S., J.P. 梁耀忠议员THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG 单仲偕议员,S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE SIN CHUNG-KAI, S.B.S., J.P. 黄宜弘议员,G.B.S. DR THE HONOURABLE PHILIP WONG YU-HONG, G.B.S. 黄容根议员,S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG YUNG-KAN, S.B.S., J.P. 曾钰成议员,G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JASPER TSANG YOK-SING, G.B.S., J.P. 立法会2008 年6月11 日LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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2008 3 杨孝华议员,S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE HOWARD YOUNG, S.B.S., J.P. 杨森议员,J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE YEUNG SUM, J.P. 刘千石议员,J.P. THE HONOURABLE LAU CHIN-SHEK, J.P. 刘江华议员,J.P. THE HONOURABLE LAU KONG-WAH, J.P. 刘皇发议员,大紫荆煜,G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. 刘健仪议员,G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MIRIAM LAU KIN-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. 刘慧卿议员,J.P. THE HONOURABLE EMILY LAU WAI-HING, J.P. 蔡素玉议员,J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHOY SO-YUK, J.P. 郑家富议员THE HONOURABLE ANDREW CHENG KAR-FOO 霍震霆议员,G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TIMOTHY FOK TSUN-TING, G.B.S., J.P. 谭耀宗议员,G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TAM YIU-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. 石礼谦议员,S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, S.B.S., J.P. 李凤英议员,B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LI FUNG-YING, B.B.S., J.P. 立法会2008 年6月11 日LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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2008 4 张宇人议员,S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, S.B.S., J.P. 陈伟业议员THE HONOURABLE ALBERT CHAN WAI-YIP 冯检基议员,S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK FUNG KIN-KEE, S.B.S., J.P. 余若薇议员,S.C., J.P. THE HONOURABLE AUDREY EU YUET-MEE, S.C., J.P. 方刚议员,J.P. THE HONOURABLE VINCENT FANG KANG, J.P. 王国兴议员,M.H. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-HING, M.H. 李永达议员THE HONOURABLE LEE WING-TAT 李国英议员,M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LI KWOK-YING, M.H., J.P. 李国麟议员,J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, J.P. 林伟强议员,S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE DANIEL LAM WAI-KEUNG, S.B.S., J.P. 林健锋议员,S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. 梁君彦议员,S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, S.B.S., J.P. 梁国雄议员THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KWOK-HUNG 立法会2008 年6月11 日LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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2008 5 郭家麒议员DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI 张超雄议员DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG 张学明议员,S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG HOK-MING, S.B.S., J.P. 黄定光议员,B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, B.B.S. 汤家骅议员,S.C. THE HONOURABLE RONNY TONG KA-WAH, S.C. 詹培忠议员THE HONOURABLE CHIM PUI-CHUNG 刘秀成议员,S.B.S., J.P. PROF THE HONOURABLE PATRICK LAU SAU-SHING, S.B.S., J.P. 郑经翰议员,J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALBERT JINGHAN CHENG, J.P. 邝志坚议员THE HONOURABLE KWONG CHI-KIN 谭香文议员THE HONOURABLE TAM HEUNG-MAN 缺席议员: MEMBERS ABSENT: 何锺泰议员,S.B.S., S.B.ST.J., J.P. IR DR THE HONOURABLE RAYMOND HO CHUNG-TAI, S.B.S., S.B.ST.J., J.P. 立法会2008 年6月11 日LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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2008 6 梁刘柔芬议员,G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS SOPHIE LEUNG LAU YAU-FUN, G.B.S., J.P. 梁家杰议员,S.C. THE HONOURABLE ALAN LEONG KAH-KIT, S.C. 陈方安生议员,大紫荆煜,J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS ANSON CHAN, G.B.M., J.P. 出席政府官员: PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: 商务及经济发展局局长马时亨先生,J.P. THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK MA SI-HANG, J.P. SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 政制及内地事务局局长林瑞麟先生,J.P. THE HONOURABLE STEPHEN LAM SUI-LUNG, J.P. SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND MAINLAND AFFAIRS 保安局局长李少光先生,I.D.S.M., J.P. THE HONOURABLE AMBROSE LEE SIU-KWONG, I.D.S.M., J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY 食物及o生局局长周一岳医生,S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE YORK CHOW YAT-NGOK, S.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR FOOD AND HEALTH 公务员事务局局长俞宗怡女士,G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE DENISE YUE CHUNG-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE 劳工及福利局局长张建宗先生,G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MATTHEW CHEUNG KIN-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR LABOUR AND WELFARE 立法会2008 年6月11 日LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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2008 7 财经事务及库务局局长陈家强教授,S.B.S., J.P. PROF THE HONOURABLE K C CHAN, S.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR FINANCIAL SERVICES AND THE TREASURY 发展局局长林郑月娥女士,J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS CARRIE LAM CHENG YUET-NGOR, J.P. SECRETARY FOR DEVELOPMENT 环境局局长邱腾华先生,J.P. THE HONOURABLE EDWARD YAU TANG-WAH, J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT 运输及房屋局局长郑汝桦女士,J.P. THE HONOURABLE EVA CHENG, J.P. SECRETARY FOR TRANSPORT AND HOUSING 列席秘书: CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: 秘书长冯载祥先生,J.P. MR RICKY FUNG CHOI-CHEUNG, J.P., SECRETARY GENERAL 助理秘书长李蔡若莲女士MRS CONSTANCE LI TSOI YEUK-LIN, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 助理秘书长林郑宝玲女士MRS JUSTINA LAM CHENG BO-LING, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 立法会2008 年6月11 日LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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2008 8 主席:现在只有25 位议员在会议厅,没有足够法定人数.秘书,请响钟.(在传召钟响后,多位议员进入会议厅)主席:已有足够法定人数.会议开始.提交文件 TABLING OF PAPERS 下列文件是根兑槭鹿嬖颉返21(2)条的规定提交:The following papers were laid on the table pursuant to Rule 21(2) of the Rules of Procedure: 附属法例/文书法律公告编号《2008 年高等法院规则(修订)规则152/2008 《

2008 年区域法院规则(修订)规则153/2008 《

2008 年高等法院费用(修订)规则154/2008 《

2008 年高等法院诉讼人储存金(修订)规则》.... 155/2008 《

2008 年区域法院民事诉讼程序(费用)(修订)规则156/2008 《

2008 年区域法院诉讼人储存金(修订)规则》.... 157/2008 《

2008 年土地审裁处(修订)规则158/2008 《 预防及控制疾病规例159/2008 《

2008 年宣布增加退休金公告160/2008 《

2008 年孤寡抚恤金(增加)公告161/2008 立法会2008 年6月11 日LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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2008 9 Subsidiary Legislation/Instruments L.N. No. Rules of the High Court (Amendment) Rules 2008....... 152/2008 Rules of the District Court (Amendment) Rules

2008 .... 153/2008 High Court Fees (Amendment) Rules 2008.154/2008 High Court Suitors'

Funds (Amendment) Rules

2008 ... 155/2008 District Court Civil Procedure (Fees) (Amendment) Rules 2008.156/2008 District Court Suitors'

Funds (Amendment) Rules 2008.157/2008 Lands Tribunal (Amendment) Rules

2008 158/2008 Prevention and Control of Disease Regulation 159/2008 Declaration of Increase in Pensions Notice

2008 160/2008 Widows and Orphans Pension (Increase) Notice 2008.... 161/2008 其他文件第98 号证券及期货事务监察委员会2007-2008 年度年报Other Paper No.

98 Securities and Futures Commission Annual Report 2007-2008 立法会2008 年6月11 日LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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2008 10 议员质询的口头答覆 ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 主席:质询.第一项质询.公共屋公众地方的管理事宜Management of Common Areas in Public Housing Estates 1. 梁国雄议员:最近,本人接获地区团体就现时由领汇管理有限公司( 领汇公司 )管 理的公共屋的公众地方( 例如平台、休憩地方和公园)所 作出的投诉.该等投诉指领汇公司要求申请在该等公众地方举办地区活动或居民会议的地区团体和立法会议员或区议会议员的办事处须提交计划书、购买保险,以及向领汇公司支付租场费用.关於公共屋公众地方的管理事宜,政府可否告知本会:(一 ) 按屋类别( 即出租公屋或出售公屋)划 分,现时全港每个公共屋内有哪些上述公众地方是由领汇公司管理,当中哪些地方已纳入香港房屋委员会( 房委会 )在2005 年将其零售和停车场设施出售予领汇公司时所签订的买卖协议内;

(二 ) 领汇公司或其他外判管理公司向使用上述公众地方的团体收取费用的安排,有没有得到房屋署批准;

如果有,批准收费的原因是甚麽及获批准收费的个案数目;

房屋署有没有向有关的管理公司提供借出该等公众地方的指引;

若有,该等指引有没有包括要求该等申请者提交计划书、购买保险和支付租金等;

及(三 ) 当局会不会就上述借用公共屋公众地方的规定( 包括收费)作 出检讨,以减少市民在使用该等地方作为集会、联谊或接收资讯用途时所受到的限制?(梁国雄议员提出了主体质询,但仍在站立)主席:你要先坐下来,我才可以请局长作答.(李卓人议员举手示意)立法会2008 年6月11 日LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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2008 11 李卓人议员:主体答覆还没有table, 是吗?主席:这次是迟了,我也是刚刚才收到,我相信秘书处的同事正在影印该文件,一俟影印妥当便会派给各位.我们和政府是有一项君子协定,希望能在9时30 分以前收到所有主体答覆的.为 了方便议员提问补充质询,希望政府能作出安排,在议员提出主体质询时,各人手上已经可以有一份主体........